.ORG more popular than .IN ??

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  1. LLL.in King

    LLL.in King United States Well-Known Member

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    THanks for the feedback Ebiz!! Always good to hear what people "in the field" are noticing.

    Even though Indians might currently prefer .co.in now(which is also good from a .co.in domain investor perspective), the fact is that .IN is still stronger and the world knows that,but Indians dont seem to know that, so i believe Indians will try and catch up later. But no surprise they haven't started to because India's internet is just taking off now.I don't think we've hit high growth phase yet even.The fact that .in and .co.in are available to anyone in the world actually cranks up the competition on Indians and i like that.
     
  2. Truekumar

    Truekumar United Kingdom Active Member

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    @Ebiz, you state that "EDUCATION is the key. Until INDIAN Population becomes aware of Domain Names, Websites & How to make money online, the demand for .IN domains will be AVERAGE".........so how would we as INVESTORS help encourage this sort of education amongst the masses? Do you not think that we should ourselves be promoting DEVELOPMENT which in turn helps with the awareness of the .IN extension??

    For the Indian population to become more aware of the potential of using websites for other things than ringtones and social networking, they NEED to be aware of INDIAN SPECIFIC (hopefully with .IN extensions) websites that can provide these new sorts of services or shopping experiences for them! Therefore this equals but one option for us.....DEVELOPMENT. Then once .IN websites become the norm and highly used by the Indian public instead of .Coms, then and only then will our other .IN investments rise in value. DEVELOPMENT = AWARENESS right? So lets make the general public aware!

    Yes I too have seen many advertisements around the big metros of various .IN sites, BUT still when I ask people which sites they REGULARLY use for purchases and various other web based activities on a daily or weekly basis and the answer is ALWAYS or at least 90% of the time .COMs! We NEED to change this, in the UK, nearly 60-70% will state they use .co.uk's, because .co.uk websites are well developed and of high quality! Can some one explain to me exactly HOW the .IN extension will become a household name on the tongue of all indian web users in the next 5 years IF we as investors just park our names at Sedo? Do you guys honestly think that the indian public will become AWARE of names that just resolve to a parked page full of advertisements? We at LEAST need to develop some of our premium names in our portfolio or work with and sell to developers whom are willing to do so. Please do not carry on selling to other potential investors whom are just going to SIT on a good quality domain name for years hoping to make a $million dollars from doing nothing! We MUST develop and this is the ONLY way to move from a 7 year old static domain extension to a world wide VIP player in the game. This is exactly the method that .co.uk and .de used to become major players! We need to see all small, medium and big businesses using .INs for their primary websites at least within India! LETS ENCOURAGE DEVELOPMENT and do this!!!


    ALSO, I agree with warbux, .in and NOT .co.in is the way forward! I believe that Indians will definitely see .IN as being the top future country extension, I don't actually own ANY .co.in's and I only concentrate on .INs which I believe is the future!

    So lets ALL try to MAKE the future bright for the .IN extension and START DEVELOPING guys! Lets try and topple the .coms and the .orgs in India and establish .IN as being the best and most quality of domain extensions in India!
     
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  3. ebiz4india

    ebiz4india India Member

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    .IN and NOT .co.in is the way forward! - Yes, I AGREE :)

    We must develop .IN domains and try our best to Rank these domains high in Search Engines, specially Google.

    Create More Domain Forums or Promote existing domain forums extensively & locally here in INDIA, so Indian youths can come to these forums, join & learn.

    All those who are living in INDIA, have a responsibility on themselves to promote .IN as per their own capacity. This will help .IN Domain Extension.


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  4. Truekumar

    Truekumar United Kingdom Active Member

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    As per article below, YES it is good news that more and more large corporates and businesses are coming online in India BUT they still all seem to be using .COMs, for example in this article the .IN of the same name is a non-resolving dead domain which isn't even being redirected to their .com site, we NEED to PUSH .in towards mass appeal so that the big boys also start to take notice and start actually USING .in's as their primary websites within India!

    FMCG giants jump on online bandwagon : India News - India Today
     
  5. LLL.in King

    LLL.in King United States Well-Known Member

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    But this is why we invest in India!! because its so huge. .COM is king everywhere, not just India,but be rest assured that good .IN domains have their place in India.....eventually.I am not indian and i am not even worried about the .coms over there because the future demand has confirmed to me that people will still want good .in domains. Register your good .in domains out for multiple years so that you are not tempted to let them drop into the hands of greedy, opportunists who want premium names for $1-$20.
     
  6. Truekumar

    Truekumar United Kingdom Active Member

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    Hmmmm....thanks for your opinion Warbux, you are right that .INs will hopefully have their place in India, that is if India doesn't end up being over saturated with future extensions with just as good names. I too WANT TO believe, and as you know I have invested a lot in .INs, and don't get me wrong my friend.....I do also have faith in the .IN extension but I am not as enthusiastic as many others on this forum whom believe that they will become super rich by just sitting on names for years without any development!

    You say...EVENTUALLY, but how long do you believe that we will have to wait before seeing some decent returns on our investments? 4 years? 5 years? 8 years? That is A LOT of money in renewals costs my friend, I would rather advice to just buy a select few names and concentrate on development.
     
  7. ImageAuthors

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    As an American living (and searching the internet) in the United States, my perspective might be a bit different from that of some of you who reside in India.

    Google intentionally varies search results based on a person's location. Country-specific ccTLDs like .in, .ca, and .co.uk will have an enormous advantage in achieving a high page rank within India, Canada, and the UK respectively. However, ccTLDs will suffer in page rank outside of their native country. Accordingly, .es domains will feature prominently in Spain but will tend to disappear in India; and .ca domains that rank #1 in Canada will be invisible in Spain.

    The same is not true of something like .org, .net, or .com which are neutral across all locations. So a .org domain could rank high anywhere, but a .in domain will have an advantage in India (and a commensurate disadvantage outside India).

    Within the United States, where the online market is very large and extremely saturated by now, .com is dominant for almost all search results. Runners up in the race are .net and .org. Beyond those 3 TLDs, it is very very rare for someone in the United States to see any other extension. Most Americans, for example, don't even know that .us exists -- even though it is technically the country code for the United States! For my part, the only times I encounter a .in domain, a .co.uk domain, a .es domain, or a .ca domain are occasionally when I am searching for very specialized phrases that pertain to the relevant country. For example, if I search for "Mumbai", on page 1 of Google I will see 7 .com domains, 1 .org domain, and 2 .gov.in domains (ranking #6 and #10). But the average American will never see a .in domain.

    Meanwhile, since .org is geographically neutral and can rank okay anywhere, there is a lot more worldwide competition for .org domains than there is for .in. That means that .org domains are already registered for which the same word or phrase is available in .in -- or else the .org domain is priced much higher than the corresponding .in. As a result, .in is usually much more affordable than .org; and many more domains remain available and undeveloped.

    Basically, the way I see it, .in is the domain of choice for businesses whose market is concentrated in India -- or for non-Indian businesses who want to build a website focused on an Indian audience. But for businesses that want to do business globally, .in will not be sufficient for the same reason that any country code TLD is insufficient -- namely, because of the downgrading it suffers in search results outside that country's borders.

    Both .org and .in have their place, and there is very little overlap between them.

    For example, Houses.org is currently parked; and the domain owner undoubtedly has priced the domain for an American buyer in the U.S. market. It wouldn't make sense for someone selling or brokering houses in India to register Houses.org because there is no need to appeal to an audience outside the country's borders and also because Houses.in would probably be cheaper AND result in an SEO advantage within India.

    On the other hand, if the owner of Music.in wanted to reach an audience outside of India, he would have to invest in domains with other extensions -- non-ccTLD domains like .com, .net, .org, etc.

    When considering which kind of extension to buy, the domain owner really needs to decide where the audience will be -- inside India or everywhere. In the first case, buy .in. In the second case, buy .com, .net, or .org alongside .in.
     
  8. domainventure

    domainventure India Member

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    Nice Analysis ImageAuthors. :)

    However, I am not sure about the .IN not ranking in NON Indian markets like USA. I have read somewhere that there are several German sites with the .IN extension as an example.

    Sedo metrics also seem to prove otherwise. There are more Sedo sales of .INs to non Indians than Indians(My estimate). Sales are a barometer for likeability,usefulness and adaptability of an extension. Correct?

    I could be wrong on this. Just my .02 :)
     
  9. ImageAuthors

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    I could be wrong as well.

    But my online experience has been that ccTLDs -- whether .in, .de, .co.uk, or .ca -- are rarely encountered by people browsing the internet in the USA. And most of the exceptions are for searches where there is little or no competition from .com / .org / .net domains -- for example searches in languages other than English or searches that are very specific to countries outside the USA.

    Oddly enough, a country like Germany might be more familiar with ccTLDs because they use their own .de -- and hence, perhaps, more receptive to .de. In the USA, since few people notice the existence of .us, ccTLDs as a whole are unfamiliar.

    Of course, .in can work as a domain hack in English, which is an advantage. Domains like Get.in or Outside.in would have value as brands in the USA for the same reason Meet.me has value.

    Still, if Google and other search engines intentionally manipulate page rank to show locally relevant websites, then the corollary is that Google will suppress non-local domains. And my impression is that Google's algorithm treats ccTLD's this way.

    Yet search engines aren't the only way to get to a website. Brands that can spread by word of mouth or be placed in eye-catching print ads or billboards are valuable. There's direc type-in traffic, links, and so forth.
     
  10. mwzd

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    The US is only representative of a small fraction of the online market today, about 80%+ internet users are from other countries afaik. And a lot of foreign users like .in - it's used extensively in BeNeLux, Germany, Switzerland, Vietnam, Japan, Korea and even in the USA (Exclusively.in / Outside.in ) to name just a few.

    Also, .in is a different animal than .ca .co.uk .de .com.au .fr .es and other such country codes in that it's a word in the English language, much like .me / .to etc. so it can be used as a brandable, unlike the aforementioned extensions.

    And to top this, .INs biggest inherent advantage is having a HUGE local market which most of the 'brandable' extensions don't have.
     
  11. Michel

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    Interesting discussion. But we can also note that .org is registerable by everyone since 1985 and .in has been liberalized in 2005 only. Who can predict the future of .in in 20 years?
     
  12. ImageAuthors

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    I agree with everything you said above, MWZD. And Michel is right that .org has been around much longer than .in.

    My main point, I guess, is that .org and .in are so different that they both have large non-overlapping markets. Each has its own potential, and neither threatens the other.
     
  13. Truekumar

    Truekumar United Kingdom Active Member

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    I disagree, I believe that .Org and other potentially new extensions due to enter the Indian webspace are a LARGE threat to our .In investments. The question is NOT whether .Org or others are more useable in the market, the question is in regards to marketing.

    Yes google will initially throw up more .In websites, but how many good quality highly ranked .In websites are there out there? Not many compared to .Org, and now we have the entrance of other extensions coming into the market place, therefore further increasing the competition against .In

    I am a true believer of the .In extension and I am trying to do my up most best to start developing good quality websites based on this extension to increase its mass appeal, we do have a head start and really need to spread the word of .Ins amongst the common man in India, before the other extensions start making their moves and stampede upon .Ins with the high grade quality of their sites, which would inevitably drastically reduce the potential of our investments.

    We are at a strategic turning point in the .In lifecycle and we need to start DEVELOPMENT and we need to do this quickly before others like the owners of .Org's direct their websites for the Indian market (as it has the highest growth potential in the world).

    And now we also have the following competition too (please see link), potentially many many more extensions coming into the Indian market place. Yes .In has been around a while now and we have had some strong grounding and roots, so NOW lets develop on top of those roots and start getting some quality developed websites out there or else all of our names whether they be great or average will be worth pretty much next to nothing in a few years time if the other extensions start dominating the Indian webspace!

    [h=1]http://greatresponder.com/2012/06/03/web-hosting-directi-group-invest-30-million-in-tld-applications/[/h]
     
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    Definitely .org has stronger roots than .in, but there is no comparison. Its like comparing apples and bananas.

    Just see how fixated the aussies are on .com.au. In a way its a good thing for this extension. I bet you try and build up a business in Australia with .org extension, without registering the .au version. Things are bit similar in UK with their official extension.

    Things are moving in the same direction in the Indian space.
     
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    Truekumar United Kingdom Active Member

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    Yes I understand what you are saying, but the message I am trying to get across is that we need more AWARENESS of the .In extension in India, the .In registry does not have the financial backing of .Org or some other new extensions which will start appearing in the country which are being bought up by the likes of Tata ect.......so therefore the only ONE major advantage that we have with .In is the fact that it is an older and more established extension in the Indian webspace and therefore it has a head start in the race, but the others are starting to catch up and speed up behind us, and I'm sure there will be some massive marketing projects for each of these new extensions fairly soon!

    The one way in which .In can win in this race is to increase AWARENESS through the development of quality websites based on the .In extension! This is the way FORWARD to also capitalise on our investments and increase the value of .In names as a whole and become the MORE ESTABLISHED and more used extension in India.

    Do we really want the .In extension to just become another .us type extension of which no one really uses?? And instead we have people using .Org's and other newer extensions coming into the Indian market? NO we don't want the .In to just become another .us (which by the way is also a domain hack and useable word just like ".in", yet still values of .us are pretty much worthless!), we WANT .in to become as popular if not more popular than .co.uk and .de in their regional countries and also abroad. BUT the only way to do this is to invest in a few good names and concentrate on DEVELOPMENT and not just parking and sitting on the names!

    We HAVE TO do this as a collective, we ALL have to at least encourage development of these quality names we hold, which will not only push up search results of .In's in google locally but also internationally too!!

    DEVELOP! DEVELOP! DEVELOP!!
     
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    totally agree with you. there is another issue related with tghis discussion: org is global and .in is more local despite many India citizens live in other countries but mostly are not domainers or end users. they simply aren´t interested to buy .in as they don´t buy other ccTLDS like from my country, the infamous pt (the government increased the cost of a domain to avoid the creation of web sites before the main sporting clubs, the telecommunications companies and many others. .Org is more universal and besides this it is more valuated than .in. you can test it even with 4L domains .in and the same domain as .org.

    Bye and thks.
     
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    It's only a matter of time before .in is treated as a gTLD. Develop what makes sense to you for now and hold onto what you see value in. You can't compare .in to .org as .org has been on the market for a much longer period of time. To keep it simple, anyone that believes that things will be very BIG in India when the internet really takes off there, should be establishing their position now. Not later when the bubble has already burst.
     
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    domainshouse Portugal New Member

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    If you themselves value 3-L domains by $9 each, how can you reach the popularity of org?
    Can you compare the same name with the extension .in and .org? Of course not because you India domainers, will all respect, are the first to devalue the domains such 1-word or 3L domains!

    It was a good discussion. Thanks.
    You are right on this:
    DEVELOP! DEVELOP! DEVELOP!!
     
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    Compare the .in and .org dynamics here:
    Google Trends: .in, .org

    You will see that all that .org threat is making a fuss about nothing.

    How many developed websites using .jobs, .travel or .pro extension did you see around? They are all global TLD's available to register for some years. The top keywords, I would say, and they are all dead. I don't see a reason why the new gTLD's could seriously threaten the established ccTLD's. Sure, they will have their niches but nobody even try to start a business on mycar.india without securing mycar.in first. Otherwise lots of traffic will be leaked to the .in owner.
     
  20. Truekumar

    Truekumar United Kingdom Active Member

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    Kokoro, yeah you are right about extensions like .travel and .jobs BUT the new extensions ARE being backed financially by very very powerful corporations with MASSIVE marketing power! And this is the reason why I am pleading with the members on this forum of which I know have EXCELLENT .in names in their portfolio to try and start DEVELOPING some of those names to increase the awareness of .in and also embed the extension into the minds of daily Indian web users to create some sort of roots that will then be very difficult for the likes of the .Org's and other newer extensions to cut away at and trample on!

    We NEED to develop NOW! We need to start rooting the .in into the minds of web users in India so that they link quality with .in, PLEASE do not just sit on top of those amazing names you guys have in your portfolio! I have committed myself to developing at least 40% of the names I own and those are the top end names of my portfolio.

    Lets ALL at least develop our top names and start working towards an extension that is recognised by Indians in India and abroad! Lets STOP buying names at dirt cheap prices and then sitting on them, hoping that in 5-6 years we can sell them on for millions! Because this DREAM is dead guys! I WONT happen! The web is opening up to A LOT more competition! We have to start building quality websites!