.ORG more popular than .IN ??

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  1. Truekumar

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    .ORG seems to have a much more well established and mature presence on the web than .IN, and it is also highly backed by many organisations around the whole world. What are your opinions guys? What sort of possible effect on .IN names could this sort of marking by .ORG in india have?

    Could it have a demoted negative effect on the value of our .IN names if .ORG becomes hugely popular in India??

    Personally I think that we have to start pushing development of .IN names, development is the key to increasing popularity of .IN domain amongst the masses whom still adhere to using .COMs and now possibly .ORGs too.

    We NEED to push development of good quality .IN sites to rival both .COMs and .ORGs, or else .IN could just become another faded memory of mass potential, overtaken by the big boys of the domain extension world :(
     
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    Before anyone comments that .ORG is NOT country specific, my reply would be that it does NOT matter, is .COM country specific? Yet which extension is the most popular in the USA?

    .ORG could easily become the most popular extension used in India and therefore become synonymous with Indian web itself, although I would rather .IN do this than .ORG, but without development, I don't think .IN could take on .ORG to gain the top spot on the indian web space, we really need to start pushing the benefits of developing .INs to make it a more stronger extension and in turn increase awareness of it to the masses.

    Most web users in India are very aware of .ORG extension, but are they just as aware of .IN extension? No, because they are many many more developed .ORG names, whereas most of the .IN names are just being held and registered for investment purposes but very few are being developed or have been developed into good quality websites, therefore the masses out there are not fully aware of the potential of .IN and with increased TV marketing from .ORG, we could be losing the battle before it has already begun :(

    Lets start developing guys! Lets increase awareness of .IN and fight back!
     
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    This news isn't extra comforting to me as a .IN domainer, but it really might be a paper tiger situation. .ORG is less expended than .COM, but i am sure many of those "Indian businesses" they refer to will have problems paying the end user prices for good .ORGs. Price is the #1 factor customers in all industries care about and domaining is no different. As we have seen already, many indians can't pay $500-$1000 for a triple premium lll.in,so this means they are more likely to NOT be able to afford a good triple premium lll.org OR a solid .ORG, like a one worder. .IN is run by a relatively stable, solid registry, and as we know, the success of many extensions depends on the security and stablity of the registry. India is strengthening security for .IN registry so .IN still has a good reputation that will only solidify. I predict Indians will still not overwhelmingly jump on .ORG over .IN.After all, .IN IS for India.
     
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    Yes many of the indian businesses will have problems paying for .ORG prices but many high profile high expenditure business won't care, and their use and development of .ORG will play a massive part in influencing smaller business to invest in .ORG too. It is all quite worrying for .IN investors.

    You say India is strengthening security for .IN registry, what do you mean by this my friend? I am not aware of any initiatives taking place at the moment in regards to the .IN registry?

    BUT yes you are correct in saying that we have ONE major advantage, .IN is for India! But when it comes to business and money, I'm afraid we Indians veer away from nationalistic notions, do we not? Lets hope the customer and the rest of the nation still keep pride with a name associated with India and fight for the .IN. But again, .IN will only win against .ORG in India IF and ONLY IF we start developing more good quality .IN websites so that Indian customer become more AWARE and more FAMILIAR with using and typing .IN when searching for websites. If we continue to just sit on or park .IN names, then we don't have a chance against the power and mighty marketing of .ORG

    So lets START DEVELOPMENT! Lets start developing good quality .INs to match the quality of .COMs, ORGs, .CO.UKs, .DEs, we need good websites and push marketing towards business end users and not just investors who just sit on the names, otherwise Indian customer will continue to type in .COMs and maybe eventually .ORGs, with .IN becoming a forgotten dream :(
     
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    LLL.in King United States Well-Known Member

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    Ok, so big businesses will be able to buy good .orgs.....but what about everybody else who needs good domains? There will be a ton more of those people than the "big businesses" that can easily afford good .ORG domains.

    By security for .IN,i am talking about the backbone infrastructure getting its network upgraded with better security features. Just as .info has been used for spam(which shows bad work on the registry's part),this allows .IN remain a clean,well managed extension. There was an article online about it last year but i can't find it. Either way, it reinforces the extension and secures its long term success.

    Wow, your point about developing and giving our .INs quality visibility is really insightful. But your advice has also been relevant in our industry ever since arbitrage and majority of parking tanked. But i am glad to say that i am about to work with another inforum member on developing some .in domains and i'm excited about it. go .IN!
     
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    The Television Commercial is becouse there is a promo on .org so they are earning better money with that.
     
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    Our believe is that
    1. .com, .net and .org (possibly .biz and .info) are and will always compete with .in and vice versa.
    2. Completion will not eliminate or decrease the value of good .ins.
    3. We need to worry about the ICANN decision to sale new gTLD. You can expect new gTLDs like .ind, .inn, .india and so on
    4. The new gTLD owners can sell their domains at any price they wish to.
    5. Indian companies buy domains for the business not for brands.
    6. Promotional campaigns are for the low-end domains and have little or no impact on the premium domains.
    7. .org is strongly associated with non-profit organization and the perception is difficult to break.
    8. Indian business prefer .com followed by .co.in extension. .in, .net, .org and .biz comes next.
    9. The promotion for .org will increase interest in .org.in domains.

    Thanks.
     
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    Guys,

    Who knows what the future will hold, but with a population over 1 billion there is bound to be a market for .in domain names. I always look at this Google Trends: .co.in, .in when I see comments about .co.in over .in and to me it shows that .in has increased in usage year after year since 2005. The new gTLD may be an issue, but as long as you are developing there shouldn't be any real concern. Plus, isn't the general draw to .in other than its population size the fact that internet penetration has not really taken off there yet. What would be ideal is for all of us to develop atleast one site each that promotes .in and stresses to end users/residents in India that .in is the way to go.

    With all of that said, if you decide .in is not for you please PM me a list of your .in names!
     
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    I wonder if the managers in Google India are so stupid that they use google.co.in and not google.in, (both they own), contrary to the trend shown by their site Google Trends: .co.in, .in.
     
  11. Truekumar

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    We ALL need to commit to at least developing a few of the names that we hold, or AT LEAST selling to others whom are committed to DEVELOPMENT, or else .IN will not succeed against so many well established and forthcoming new extensions too which will have large corporate backing and major cash flow invested in them for development into good quality sites.

    To win in this game, we MUST encourage development of .IN names and start doing it now! I have already promised myself that I will have at LEAST 3 or 4 sites up and running by the end of this year and also promised that I will only sell my other names to buyers whom I think are worthy of selling to, and will do something with the name such a developing into fully functional site. I do not any longer wish to sell my names to people who are just going to sit on the extension for years to come and destroy the potential of the name and value of .IN as a credible extension.

    Come on guys, there are going to be a lot of other extensions coming into the market place very soon, .India, .bharat, .tata, .reliance, .ANYTHING!!! So we need to try and establish .In before these others come in and try to take over, we need more marketing of .In to business and encourage them to use the extension instead of going for .coms or other extensions. If we don't help each other and motivate each other to further establish the .In extension, then I am afraid that in the world fully of potentially hundreds of different extensions, .In may just become diluted and lost in India and we will lose ALL value in our names and investments :(

    We must ACT NOW! Spread the word and start working on DEVELOPMENT projects, just sitting on our names and hoping that they will increase in value will NOT work! I had the same idea, but now realise it is a LOST DREAM, we have to develop and we have to start marketing the extension OURSELVES, we cannot wait for the big corporates and business to come to us, they won't! They don't see any potential in the .In extension as of yet as it isn't very popular amongst businesses in India, VERY FEW businesses use it as its primary web address over .Com or other extensions which alway take priority even in the Indian webspace! Where will we be left when the other extensions come into place? .India ? .Bharat ?

    Guys, trust me on this one. We could all crash and burn unless we start acting now! PLEASE PLEASE START DEVELOPING!!! Don't just PARK or just SIT on the names!
     
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    Did you read an article about these new extensions: .ind, .inn, .india ? Because I don't find any info on them.
    Moreover, launching and promoting a new extension takes years. To my mind, .in and .co.in are now well established. The new extensions will not compete with them.

    Does anyone have some figures about the percentage of .in/.co.in developped websites compared to the total number of registered domains?
     
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    No I have not read any information about those extensions that I mentioned but since ICANN is opening up its extension variations, I am sure they will definitely be getting some applications from India and various corporations whom will be ready to invest in a new extension, be it .India, .bharat or whatever.

    You mention that you believe that .IN is now well established......hmmmmmm, I think I would have to disagree on that one my friend. YES you are correct in stating that it definitely has been around for a long time but that doesn't mean that it is well established, AND it don't think it is anywhere near as mature as other world web extensions. If you ask the typical web user in India as to how many .IN sites he/she uses on a regular basis, most will give a very low answer of 1 or 2 or usually NONE, whereas ask them how many .Com's they use? In the UK, if you asked a typical web user how many .co.uk's he/she uses on a regular basis then the answer would be very different, as would .de for germany.

    The reason being is that although .In has been around for a while, there has been VERY LIMITED development of REAL FUNCTIONING websites from the names that have been registered. With .co.uk and .de, the story is very different and therefore through quality websites and high listings on searches these extensions have slowly established themselves as REAL WORLD PLAYERS in the domain extension game and therefore their values and desirability is quite high and rising to sometimes even match .coms. BUT with .IN, I can guarantee that the majority of registrations are not developed, are not being used for any commercial purposes, are only slightly developed or underdeveloped. Most people including myself for a long time were and still are just SITTING on these good quality names, and just HOPING and living in a dream that they will one day make them millions by selling to some big businesses or corporates, but what we have to understand is that NONE of the corporates will approach us for these names if they have ZERO popularity amongst the indian web user base!

    We NEED to start developing at least a small proportion of our portfolios! This is the ONLY way forward or other extensions such as .Org and many new ones coming soon will take over the train and we will be left watching the party and sitting on FALSE pots of gold.

    Lets shine up the gold we are JUST sitting on, and instead make it look a bit more attractive to the big players in the game and then maybe, just maybe we will start seeing larger offers flowing in!
     
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    There are quite a number of developed .in sites out there. Not to mention that some big corporations are putting their main websites for India on .in domains. You can browse through this thread on Namepros to get an idea .IN Developed .IN / .CO.IN Showcase - NamePros.com (sorry Jeff, its just a resource I use too). Also, .in will eventually be treated as a gTLD due to the way people are using them.

    I am of the thought that if you want to make real money, then you need to develop your domains. Even if you are holding out for a company to come along and buy your domain. The value of your domain will go up if developed. If you are building a .in domain to target mainly India, then put the domain on a server in India and build your backlinks with matching content, and all the normal best practices when building sites. Also, a lot of domain names are just being sat on, even .coms.

    I still have a long term view of .in names. Internet penetration has not really made its way into the Indian market yet and if you establish yourself now before it does - you should be rewarded greatly. There are a lot of different approaches to this business, so find the one you are most comfortable with and go with it.

    Wishing you the best!
     
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    Yes of course, lets get established and prepared for a hopeful web revolution in India within the next 5 years or so BUT let's not just sit around on these names as just investments and instead let's get PRODUCTIVE and start developing NOW, then and only then will .IN become a common extension name on the tongues of the common people of India.

    Let's not let .ORG or any other extension steal our thunder! So come guys, START DEVELOPING! Then we can make some profit and also see the valuations of our names start to rise!
     
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    This thread is a waste of time, I'd start picking the holes in your theories but then...

    Switch on the television (I assume you live in India) and read the domains being advertised, you'll see at least 1 .in for every .com, if not more and NO .org domains, aside from in PIR ads or BigRock ads (who don't really care about which extension they're pushing, as long as their margins are good).

    .ORG will NEVER be more popular than .IN in India at least, except maybe among non-profits.

    And if you have domains that can be 'demoted' because of the introduction/acceptance of any other TLD, dump them now, there will be over 2000 TLDs launched by Dec 2013.

    And development, as it's used in these parts, isn't likely to add value to your domains if they're already not good enough.
     
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    mwzd, I guess you are suggesting that .IN is as popular if not more popular than .com in India? Im afraid I drastically disagree with you there my friend! Yes you are right in stating that there may be just as many .INs advertised in India and developed in India as there are .COMs advertised and fully developed in India, BUT you have to remember that Indians ALSO use .COMs which are established outside of India, many many Indians don't even use websites that have been developed and established within India and rather use International or American sites which are MOSTLY .COMs are they not??

    This is EXACTLY the reason why we need to start developing .INs and promoting them as good quality websites! Yes I do see a few .IN websites advertised in India BUT I've been seeing many more .COMs.


    Plus I do not understand what you mean about dropping any of my names which may be 'demoted' through the introduction of new TLDs ?? ANY name held by ANYONE would lose value with the introduction of a new TLD!! For example lets say you own Car.in, and its value is $8K and then next month both .India and .Bharat extensions are released, so now both Car.India and Car.Bharat are available for registration, do you think the value of your non-developed dead (possibly parked) name will stay the same? No, you will no longer have a monopoly on the Car domain name in the Indian webspace and there WILL NOW be OTHER ALTERNATIVES available such as Car.India, Car.Bharat ect.......... BUT if your name Car.in is well developed and receiving a lot of traffic, then the new alternative will not be able to compete and you will still hold much better value!

    Therefore good quality DEVELOPMENT of domain names DOES add long term value!
     
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    You guess wrong, I'm saying you'll find a LOT of .in being advertised on TV, so anyone who pleads ignorance of .in while acclaiming .com either doesn't watch tv or doesn't understand the internet.

    That's basically because for the first 8 years of the Indian Internet scene, there was no .in.

    And I still don't see why 'development for development's sake' is the mantra going forward.

    Please read up some internet history before making such sweeping statements, they abound in your posts and give the wrong impression to people who aren't familiar with it.

    Do you mean to say that when .cx was launched .com lost value?

    The value of a top generic like that is inherent, however, if you own MyIndianCar.in and .car launches where MyIndian.Car is available, your domain MIGHT lose value over time, there will be an adoption curve and not all 2k gTLDs launched will even survive, let alone make a dent in the popular mindscape.


    .INN .INDIA and other such examples quoted by you would be 'too similar' to .in and hence quite unlikely to get past the initial vetting by ICANN and hence a waste of $185k at the very least for someone who applies for them.

    .BHARAT is an IDN extension in Indic languages, not an ASCII gtld. Again, chalk and cheese, won't matter a whit to .in

    Yes, quality development adds value, but not to the domain name, instead it adds value to your business. On the other hand a good domain adds value to a quality site and enhances the efforts spent on development via SEO / Brand value.
     
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    Thanks for your reply mwzd, I still disagree with development though. I am not implying that we should all just go and develop just for the sake of it but we should rather start trying to develop GOOD QUALITY sites and possibly even profitable businesses on the names with have invested in, or at least try to sell to end users and buyers whom we think may develop the sites for business or information sites which will increase traffic to .IN names and therefore overall increase the value and potential of .IN names. At the end of the day we are all in the same game, I too want to believe that .IN will blow ever other domain extension in India out of the way and totally dominate the Indian webspace BUT I just don't think it will happen with most of us just buying and sitting on our excellent names........development is the ONLY way forward.

    If really good .INs are never developed then can you TELL ME exactly what would be the opinion of the Indian public on .IN extensions? Yes .IN is fairly new compared to .COM and .ORG but we NEED to catch up and start encouraging businesses to use the extension to develop good quality sites which will then gain high ranks in searches!

    A lot of people on this forum have some really really amazing names, at the top of the scale which I am sure they are just sitting on them and hoping and waiting, even renewing for 5,6 or 7 years and dreaming that in 7 years time some big corporate will come along and pay $1 million for name! This is a FALSE dream, because by that time other extensions would have been developed and become popular and we would have locked up and sat on our .INs for years without development.

    SORRY BUT MY OPINION STILL leans towards DEVELOPMENT being the way forward for ALL OF US! At least developing one or two good names in our portfolios to increase brand awareness of .IN, only then will we see values rise.
     
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    Guys, I live in Hyderabad, INDIA. and I usually travel a lot to Metro Cities. Trust me, i have seen thousand of .IN websites being advertised on TAXI, AUTOS, BUSES, TRAINS, Train Seats, Bus Seats, Auto Seats, Taxi Seats.

    Even, Budget Airlines operating in INDIA, use .IN (GoIndigo.in) which is heavily advertised in Media.

    We have web hosting business since last 8 years and this is how a Indian Business choose a domain name.

    .COM
    .CO.IN
    .IN

    Even if .IN is available, 90% clients prefer .CO.IN
    We tell them: Sir, take .IN, its upgraded version of .CO.IN, but they stick to .CO.IN

    .ORG is only being advertised by BIGROCK, as promo of .ORG is going on by them.

    .ORG is always & only prefer by NON-Commercial establishments. No business entity goes with .ORG, as .ORG stands for Organization, NGOs, Etc.

    Even, GoDaddy commercial (with Indian Model) is being aired since last 2 months on Indian Television (Star Movies), they promote .COM .NET .ORG & .IN

    Investment on .IN Domains are safe

    Look at .DE & .CO.UK extensions, how much these domain extensions sell for.
    These are small countries with Small Population compare to INDIA.

    EDUCATION is the key. Until INDIAN Population becomes aware of Domain Names, Websites & How to make money online, the demand for .IN domains will be average.

    Computer & Internet Cable connection in home are common now a days, but 90% of them stick to CHAT, FB, Movies, Songs, Ringtones, etc.


    :)
     
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