India to Get Its First Major Domain Conference

Jeff

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I did and its been a week with no update Domain Name Journal - The Lowdown - Every Indian should be outraged!
He's on holiday right now:

The DNJournal office will be closed until July 8. This will be the longest break I've taken since launching the publication over 11 years ago - but I have the best possible reason for taking that time off now. My lovely wife Diana and I are using it to celebrate our 30th wedding anniversary. I apologize for any inconvenience caused by my absence, but if you look at the photo below, I think you will understand. See you again on the 8th!
 

CyberKing

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He's on holiday right now:
This was early last week well before the 4th July weekend (a break after 11 years which I guess he deserves) however there is NO EXCUSE and NO VACATION from screwing up a country's sovereign borders in an image! Online material can be edited from anywhere and taken down if offensive immediately...I am very disappointed and I hope other IN Forum readers also write to him...
 

LLL.in King

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This was early last week well before the 4th July weekend (a break after 11 years which I guess he deserves) however there is NO EXCUSE and NO VACATION from screwing up a country's sovereign borders in an image! Online material can be edited from anywhere and taken down if offensive immediately...I am very disappointed and I hope other IN Forum readers also write to him...
I understand how u feel but the truth is that J&K are formally considered contested territory. But I guess the Indian controlled side should be shown.
 

cyberlawyer

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I asked Manmeet about this yesterday and he said it would be illegal, which brings upon some questions, hopefully someone could pose these to the registry... not on my behalf :p

Why is the registry so against domainers and capitalism in general?
Why does the registry frown upon entrepreneurs that own multiple generic keyword domains?
Where is the line drawn that would make selling a domain or a website legal?
How does the registry assume what I plan to do with my domains down the road?
Does the registry realize it is curbing innovation by confiscating certain domains for ludicrous reasons (see honey.in)?
Why does the registry not embrace the power of the .in? .co and .me are perfect examples to look at. .in could stand for internet, international, incorporated... imagine the possibilities!
There doesn't seem to be any restriction placed upon Registrants on the sale of .IN Domain Names but it's only Registrars, for whom the following conditions have been laid down as follows:

.IN REGISTRAR ACCREDITATION AGREEMENT (Registry.in)


Clause 6.1 The Registrars will desist, at all times, from involving themselves, or through their re-sellers, in any way in the squatting, grabbing, hoarding, auctioning or selling of the .IN domain names at a higher price than they are regularly charging from the public. Any such involvement of the Registrar will lead the termination of Accreditation, financial penalty and any other legal action as provided under the laws of India.

While following is provided for Registrants, which nowhere restricts them to sell .IN Domains:

TERMS AND CONDITIONS FOR REGISTRANTS (Registry.in)


Clause 5. Lawful Usage of Domain Name: The Registrant shall use the domain name in such a way that it does not violate any third-party rights, applicable laws or regulations, including discrimination on the basis of race, language, sex or religion and the Registrant further warrants that it shall not register or use the domain name in bad faith or for any unlawful purpose.


Clause 6. .IN Registry considers illegal or fraudulent actions, spamming, using email in denial-of-service attacks, Phishing, Pharming, Botnet command and control, Distribution of pornography, Illegal Access to other computer and networks etc. as abusive use of domain name. Registry can suspend the Registered name in such cases and initiate action accordingly. Further, Fast Flux hosting may be used only with prior permission of .IN Registry.

- A Raheja
Advocate & DNOAI Member
 

domainerin

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Looks like Mitsu should delete their previous posts here about helping the domain sale.

There doesn't seem to be any restriction placed upon Registrants on the sale of .IN Domain Names but it's only Registrars, for whom the following conditions have been laid down as follows:

.IN REGISTRAR ACCREDITATION AGREEMENT (Registry.in)


Clause 6.1 The Registrars will desist, at all times, from involving themselves, or through their re-sellers, in any way in the squatting, grabbing, hoarding, auctioning or selling of the .IN domain names at a higher price than they are regularly charging from the public. Any such involvement of the Registrar will lead the termination of Accreditation, financial penalty and any other legal action as provided under the laws of India.

While following is provided for Registrants, which nowhere restricts them to sell .IN Domains:

TERMS AND CONDITIONS FOR REGISTRANTS (Registry.in)


Clause 5. Lawful Usage of Domain Name: The Registrant shall use the domain name in such a way that it does not violate any third-party rights, applicable laws or regulations, including discrimination on the basis of race, language, sex or religion and the Registrant further warrants that it shall not register or use the domain name in bad faith or for any unlawful purpose.


Clause 6. .IN Registry considers illegal or fraudulent actions, spamming, using email in denial-of-service attacks, Phishing, Pharming, Botnet command and control, Distribution of pornography, Illegal Access to other computer and networks etc. as abusive use of domain name. Registry can suspend the Registered name in such cases and initiate action accordingly. Further, Fast Flux hosting may be used only with prior permission of .IN Registry.

- A Raheja
Advocate & DNOAI Member
 

Soofi

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Thank you Mr. Raheja for digging this up and posting it here for all the curious .in domain name investors.

Fellow members, please meet Mr. Ankur Raheja (an expert in Cyber Law from Delhi) who I had requested to do the needful in this regard.


There doesn't seem to be any restriction placed upon Registrants on the sale of .IN Domain Names but it's only Registrars, for whom the following conditions have been laid down as follows:

.IN REGISTRAR ACCREDITATION AGREEMENT (Registry.in)


Clause 6.1 The Registrars will desist, at all times, from involving themselves, or through their re-sellers, in any way in the squatting, grabbing, hoarding, auctioning or selling of the .IN domain names at a higher price than they are regularly charging from the public. Any such involvement of the Registrar will lead the termination of Accreditation, financial penalty and any other legal action as provided under the laws of India.

While following is provided for Registrants, which nowhere restricts them to sell .IN Domains:

TERMS AND CONDITIONS FOR REGISTRANTS (Registry.in)


Clause 5. Lawful Usage of Domain Name: The Registrant shall use the domain name in such a way that it does not violate any third-party rights, applicable laws or regulations, including discrimination on the basis of race, language, sex or religion and the Registrant further warrants that it shall not register or use the domain name in bad faith or for any unlawful purpose.


Clause 6. .IN Registry considers illegal or fraudulent actions, spamming, using email in denial-of-service attacks, Phishing, Pharming, Botnet command and control, Distribution of pornography, Illegal Access to other computer and networks etc. as abusive use of domain name. Registry can suspend the Registered name in such cases and initiate action accordingly. Further, Fast Flux hosting may be used only with prior permission of .IN Registry.

- A Raheja
Advocate & DNOAI Member
 
Looks like Mitsu should delete their previous posts here about helping the domain sale.
All domain name deals are done by Mitsu's USA based entity which is nothing to do with .IN registry, No.of times Mitsu personally raised this issue to .In registry in front of all registrars that Domain Name sale and purchase is not illegal and every time we got reply that they will update us.
 
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Ace

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There doesn't seem to be any restriction placed upon Registrants on the sale of .IN Domain Names but it's only Registrars, for whom the following conditions have been laid down as follows:

.IN REGISTRAR ACCREDITATION AGREEMENT (Registry.in)


Clause 6.1 The Registrars will desist, at all times, from involving themselves, or through their re-sellers, in any way in the squatting, grabbing, hoarding, auctioning or selling of the .IN domain names at a higher price than they are regularly charging from the public. Any such involvement of the Registrar will lead the termination of Accreditation, financial penalty and any other legal action as provided under the laws of India.

While following is provided for Registrants, which nowhere restricts them to sell .IN Domains:

TERMS AND CONDITIONS FOR REGISTRANTS (Registry.in)


Clause 5. Lawful Usage of Domain Name: The Registrant shall use the domain name in such a way that it does not violate any third-party rights, applicable laws or regulations, including discrimination on the basis of race, language, sex or religion and the Registrant further warrants that it shall not register or use the domain name in bad faith or for any unlawful purpose.


Clause 6. .IN Registry considers illegal or fraudulent actions, spamming, using email in denial-of-service attacks, Phishing, Pharming, Botnet command and control, Distribution of pornography, Illegal Access to other computer and networks etc. as abusive use of domain name. Registry can suspend the Registered name in such cases and initiate action accordingly. Further, Fast Flux hosting may be used only with prior permission of .IN Registry.

- A Raheja
Advocate & DNOAI Member
All domain name deals are done by Mitsu's USA based entity which is nothing to do with .IN registry, No.of times Mitsu personally raised this issue to .In registry in front of all registrars that Domain Name sale and purchase is not illegal and every time we got reply that they will update us.
Thanks for the brinigng up important rules about whether domainers can / cannot sell .in domains. Based on what cyberlawyer has posted and what Mitsu responded, It seems that Mitsu contradicts what the CyberLawyer is saying.

Assuming that the CyberLawyer is correct, and it is possible to sell/auction .in domains, why not have a .in auction during the conference?
 

Soofi

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Thanks for the brinigng up important rules about whether domainers can / cannot sell .in domains. Based on what cyberlawyer has posted and what Mitsu responded, It seems that Mitsu contradicts what the CyberLawyer is saying.

Assuming that the CyberLawyer is correct, and it is possible to sell/auction .in domains, why not have a .in auction during the conference?
Ace, no one is contradicting anyone's statements. Mr Goyal from Mitsu made it clear in the above statement that Mitsu's (Registrar's) U.S. entity handles domain name sales and Mitsu.in has nothing to do with the domain name sales.

Regarding .in auction during the conference, we are still working on our Conference day Agenda :)
 

Ace

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Ace, no one is contradicting anyone's statements. Mr Goyal from Mitsu made it clear in the above statement that Mitsu's (Registrar's) U.S. entity handles domain name sales and Mitsu.in has nothing to do with the domain name sales.

Regarding .in auction during the conference, we are still working on our Conference day Agenda :)
I'm talking about the fact that if domainers can sell .in domains or not. This has nothing to do with US Entity that Mitsu talked about. Dont mix the the two up.

Also, till CyberLawyer mentioned it, no one was aware that it was legal for domainers to sell .in domains. Mitsu is batting for domainers for make selling .in domains legal.
 
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Soofi

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I'm talking about the fact that if domainers can sell .in domains or not. This has nothing to do with US Entity that Mitsu talked about. Dont mix the the two up.

Also, till CyberLawyer mentioned it, no one was aware that it was legal for domainers to sell .in domains. Mitsu is batting for domainers for make selling .in domains legal.
Ace, if you read his statement "No.of times Mitsu personally raised this issue to .In registry in front of all registrars that Domain Name sale and purchase is not illegal", he is talking about sale & purchase by Domain Name Registrars as per my understanding :D
 
.In Registry formation process was started in 2004 and Myself (Sanjeev Goyal) and Bhavin(Directi) was part of that team , I still remember that I sent a detail policy documents to Ministry and due to some vested interest that document was not fully adopted. I recommended in that also that domain name parking and End user Sale and Purchase of domain names are essence of any registry, and without that you cannot achieve large no. of registrations. (I still have copy of that document).

I am always in favor of accepting Domaining as business but at the same time I want to make it clear that I am completely against the ip right violation, if you have generics or developed domain names sale purchase should not be illegal as it was not violating anyone right. If selling developed domain name with website is legal then how can a domain name sale be illegal ? because when you sale developed (running) website to someone then domain name is always center of that sale and if selling of domain name is illegal then in such takeovers deal should be less of domain names ?

I want to make reference of one Delhi High Court case where I was one of the party. the case was between me (Noukri.com) and Info Edge (Naukri.com) ( Please note that Naukri or Noukri is generic term and even TM issued on such terms are with clear disclaimer by India and USA TM registry.) , in the particular case when Info Edge felt that they will loose the case against me so they went for out of court settlement with me (I am not going in details of the case), And in that settlement it was clearly filed before the Delhi High Court that I surrender the domain name right to them against huge consideration ? Now tell me how can you say that selling the domain name or surrendering domain name rights against consideration is illegal ? When High Court itself accept the settlement plea. And My Attorney was one who drafted the INDRP policy for .In registry and Indian Cyber Law for Govt. of India and he was also Director - Legal in .In registry for years. And Info Edge hired one of the very famous Current Central Minister as his attorney. Now just think if that transaction was illegal then these attorney's are ignorant of law ?
 

zaki.ahmed

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Hi All,
This is my First Post on this Forum,
Waiting for this Conference in My City Hyderabad
Waiting for the Venue to be announced.

Nice to see such conference is happening in INDIA /Hyderabad

NamingZone
 
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