Success.co.in

Would better choices be healthinsurance.in, medicalcover.in, mediclaim.in, travelinsurance.in etc.?

@dillpupp, I will still pick up success.co.in, as it can be developed into a nice education or job site for all age groups. Its a good one even then to start a offline mag or something with the same name.

Forgive my narrow thinking, but with "Spirit.co.in", I can think of a website related to alcohol for personal consumption or industrial use. What other uses could that be put to? Appreciate some examples.

Cheers.

ok,just keeping an eye on bido ccTLDs

pizzeria.us -gone for $648.
now considering the huge commercial application of pizzeria! 22mn+google,it is a low/fair price?
the low popularity of .us nothwithstanding the name carried it.
but i guess the price reflects the economy. and good price for buyer!

i guess success was undersold somewhat since it is trendsetter and first .in on bido(rather .co.in). .in is not less popular then .us so i guess it was not a good move .

have to agree a bit with ambush strategy of nyrkdude . Not selling is better then selling at lowball prices .since these high profile sales will reflect future sales .
However it is essential that .in sells at major platforms to achieve more popularity and market value.
Now thats where the big players come in (a.k.a Rick Latona).They can cause huge publicity and interest by one or two high profile and publicised sales.
Next up T.R.A.F.F.I.C.

@msdomains, spirit.co.in, what use? India has special cache when it comes to astrology, palm reading, spiritualism, that sort of thing. Maybe that's not your cup of tea, but that's what many non-Indians think. I have regged a few domain names in that space. When it comes to mindreading, for example, I think mindreading.in is more valuable than almost any other mindreading.xxx The same goes for spirit. I prefer spirit.in to spirit.co.in but the Indian cache on a developed spiritualist website is worth something (hopefully in this life).

Success and Bido -hmmm.

It strikes me as a quick flip platform with very little thought given to quality. From Bido's point of view whatever the name it is a guaranteed sale.

I personally do not like the concept and I agree with Dillpup, Success.co.in was hardly the right name to be the first off the block to promote the extensions .co.in/.in.

Traffic name selections- every time I look at their sales lists,particularly the "silent auction" I cringe. I fail to see how the "selection" process works as so much expensive overpriced garbage always makes the cut.

5000 names in the coming auction, shades of throwing shit at the wall to see how much sticks.

Some great names in the "live' though, doubt if many/any of the top names reserves will be met, the last weekends aftermarket geo auction was a fair indicator of what is to come.

As a showcase for Indian domains, I think Bido should have chosen .in rather than .co.in.

While I'm no expert in appraising domains, I think Success.co.in did reasonably well. If it had been Success.in on auction, no doubt the bids would have gone much higher.

I think it's important to remember that Indian domains have not yet reached their full potential and value. This will likely take a few more years...

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@dillpupp, I will still pick up success.co.in, as it can be developed into a nice education or job site for all age groups. Its a good one even then to start a offline mag or something with the same name.

Forgive my narrow thinking, but with "Spirit.co.in", I can think of a website related to alcohol for personal consumption or industrial use. What other uses could that be put to? Appreciate some examples.

Cheers.

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To me, alcohol, is the last thing I think of when I hear the word Spirit, and I'm not religious at all . I don't know how to explain other than Spirit is just a nicer word, thousands of businesses use it for their name in all kinds of business sectors.
Like Newyorkdude said, it's got the whole metaphysical/spiritual/religious angle going for it, plus people associate it with happiness and wellness.
Some examples of businesses using it, Spirit Airlines, Spirit of Chennai, Spirit Boutique, Spirit Books, Spirit Music, about a zillion yoga sites. Spirit lounge, Spirit institute of nursing. In fact here's a whole list of businesses using "Spirit" just in Mumbai alone:
spirit mumbai - Google Maps
It's one of my best domains IMO as far as potential end users. I threw it on the forums to test the waters, and it drowned! Unbelievable IMO.

As for today's Pizzeria.us auction, I think it was just about right I guess, if not high. Medium level word, medium level price in relation to a medium level extention. I assume a reseller bought it, and not an actual pizzeria. It may be hard to actually find an end user willing to pay more than $648 for a .US domain that gets no type in or anything and is an extension not widely recognized by the public, but who knows, some crazy stuff goes down on Sedo sometimes. Plus the fact most Pizza places would just use BRANDNAME.com or BRANDNAMEpizza.com. I dunno, but congrats to the seller 8)

dude, they are selling US style english audience domains to public at traffic.
they actually do not make any sense for indian public or indian buyers, what is hit in the US is not necessarily hit in india, the research about indian audience likes and dislikes is very weakly done at traffic and bido, they are rather focusing on selling english looking .in names to english people. and this is just short term demand. the long term demand you need to know what indian people like and what they dont like. if you got a name like bizzare then it maybe doing well at traffic or bido but you dont realize that you have landed with a bad domain name and such domain name isnt liked by indian public. so if .in becomes like .ca and in future is reserved only for indians(which i suspect is gonna happen) then all this bizzare etc buyer at traffic will regret spending his money on buying a bad domain which couldnt be sold at all as indian public doesnt like it... its that simple.

so i wouldnt buy a .in or .co.in at traffic or bido coz i know it doesnt appeal at all to what i myself and the average indian audience likes.

dude here is some news,
u reg all ur premium .in and .co.in names for the next 20 yrs from inregistry.
i will just take TM and get them for reg fees. OK! xD
inregistry always gives priority to indian TMs over outside TMs of i have any.. so u decide ur fate.. hire an indian lawyer or person like me or loose ur domains after some years in INDRP. ok!
i will do that only.. even rick latona or bido woudnt be able to save their domains from INDRP. consult lawyer and he told me what exactly to do and also 1 more thing.. u list your indian premium domain portfolio at TRAFFIC and sit at your house.. the inregistry new policy is gonna be that a person cannot just book domains and sell it to others.. if inregistry come to know what you do.. then i just need to send them your portfolio and they will delete all your registrations whether or not you have any TM or lawyers in hand.

so im seeing this to be somewhat like china's policies and most of your money goes in the drain would now be the case of indian domains, so im skipping out right now from the indian domain space unless i hear some good news at their inregistry policies.

cheers,
Abhishek

abhishekjha said:

if inregistry come to know what you do.. then i just need to send them your portfolio and they will delete all your registrations whether or not you have any TM or lawyers in hand.

so im seeing this to be somewhat like china's policies and most of your money goes in the drain would now be the case of indian domains, so im skipping out right now from the indian domain space unless i hear some good news at their inregistry policies.

cheers,
Abhishek

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And what is this threat: " i just need to send them your portfolio and they will delete all your registrations whether or not you have any TM or lawyers in hand."



China policies- please explain?

dude im not giving threat, just making you aware of the upcoming policy of indian registry, the matter of foreign & indian people registering 100000000's of indian domains like cyber squatters and selling/trading has come into judiciary and govt is gonna pass the policy to inregistry anyday. so if you wanna be smart then avoid jumping and diving into indian domains right now. its not gonna do any good in the long term. and try to sell as many indian domains as you can and as fast as you can so that even if the policy updates in inregistry and they start deleting domains of bulk domain portfolio owners then atleast the buyer of your domain will loose the domain not you.. xD you just take the money from the buyer and sit at home and be happy to have escaped the trouble very from near very closely.

about china policies? ask CNNIC they will help you out better in chinese! xD though there is an english version out too... i believe.

And the likes of Directi are going to sit back and take this you think? Why the scaremongering tactics? ICAAN are happy with the scenario you propose?

China policy- I am fully aware of the do's and dont's but you seem to be likening them to IN registry and there is no comparison.

abhishekjha said:

dude im not giving threat, just making you aware of the upcoming policy of indian registry, the matter of foreign & indian people registering 100000000's of indian domains like cyber squatters and selling/trading has come into judiciary and govt is gonna pass the policy to inregistry anyday. so if you wanna be smart then avoid jumping and diving into indian domains right now. its not gonna do any good in the long term. and try to sell as many indian domains as you can and as fast as you can so that even if the policy updates in inregistry and they start deleting domains of bulk domain portfolio owners then atleast the buyer of your domain will loose the domain not you.. xD you just take the money from the buyer and sit at home and be happy to have escaped the trouble very from near very closely.

about china policies? ask CNNIC they will help you out better in chinese! xD though there is an english version out too... i believe.

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@wot,
directi can pay all the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ and bribe and make officials of inregistry not to delete their self-owned domains, but inregistry wont be sparing those who got it for reg-fees xD you will need to actually pay some more cash in legal fees and bribing officials to protect your indian domains if youre living offshore and those onshore can manage political influence on inregistry and get the job done! xD

so you can either bribe or loose when the policy comes up.. choice is yours! my work was just to make you aware of the problems that could crop up so you can be prepared to bribe beforehand rather than waking up in the morning seeing your godaddy.com account containing 0 indian domains.. all wiped up and deleted by inregistry(just by suspicion of cyber squatting activities in your a/c and the huge list of indian domains doing nothing)! LOL!

abhishekjha said:

@wot,
directi can pay all the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ and bribe and make officials of inregistry not to delete their self-owned domains, but inregistry wont be sparing those who got it for reg-fees xD you will need to actually pay some more cash in legal fees and bribing officials to protect your indian domains if youre living offshore and those onshore can manage political influence on inregistry and get the job done! xD

so you can either bribe or loose when the policy comes up.. choice is yours! my work was just to make you aware of the problems that could crop up so you can be prepared to bribe beforehand rather than waking up in the morning seeing your godaddy.com account containing 0 indian domains.. all wiped up and deleted by inregistry(just by suspicion of cyber squatting activities in your a/c and the huge list of indian domains doing nothing)! LOL!

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Please point me to the IN registry info that advocates what you are saying.

There is a list of officials who will accept bribes to ensure domain renters retain their names?

You seem to know who they are let's name a few names and get this out in to the open.

If what you are saying is half correct I am more that happy to start a campaign to bring what is obviously a potentially huge fraud involving multi layer corruption to the attention of the world media and the International Court of Justice.

dude,
international court of justice couldnt help save sex.cn from getting deleted due to their CNNIC new policies just this year so how will it help your indian domain from getting deleted?

indian domains are meant for the country people that is indians first, others later. if your are an outsider then your domain can be deleted and you will not get any justice to get any .in domain no matter what argument you put there as it will be case of cyber squatting which makes indian domains unavailable for local people for which the .in CCTLD was actually started for and goes against the cause, though local indian people can get justice as .in means a country targeted domain for indians.

and what i told you was about the rule thats gonna come up in inregistry forced by the govt to delete domains of cybersquatters.. but i think i did the wrong thing by telling it to you in advance. now i will not tell anything else thats gonna come up. as you only will come to know what will happen when the law is passed upon for cyber squatting in indian domains.

regards,
Abhishek

abhishekjha said:

dude,
international court of justice couldnt help save sex.cn from getting deleted due to their CNNIC new policies just this year so how will it help your indian domain from getting deleted?

indian domains are meant for the country people that is indians first, others later. if your are an outsider then your domain can be deleted and you will not get any justice to get any .in domain no matter what argument you put there as it will be case of cyber squatting which makes indian domains unavailable for local people for which the .in CCTLD was actually started for and goes against the cause, though local indian people can get justice as .in means a country targeted domain for indians.

and what i told you was about the rule thats gonna come up in inregistry forced by the govt to delete domains of cybersquatters.. but i think i did the wrong thing by telling it to you in advance. now i will not tell anything else thats gonna come up. as you only will come to know what will happen when the law is passed upon for cyber squatting in indian domains.

regards,
Abhishek

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I am not talking about infringements of cnnic /inregistry- they get what they deserve.

You have plainly stated that you are aware of people involved in corruption at the higher levels of the domain industry in this case in India and this needs to be addressed immediately. Or are you just spouting?

I am pleased that we have a member that is privy to pending changes in the law relating to domain names in India it could be beneficial to the community.

However -If you feel the need to hide potentially useful information to fellow domainers for some reason of your own then feel free!

abhishekjha said:

indian domains are meant for the country people that is indians first, others later.

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Seems *really* unlikely. The various .in extensions were specifically opened up to the international community. On the very front page of the registry website the first thing they proudly proclaim is:

".IN domain names are available to anyone! Companies, individuals, and organizations in India and abroad are eligible."

How difficult would it be for a person or company to set up a dummy Indian address registry? If people can 'rent' an Indian address for their domains, how will the authorities know if they are genuine Indians or just foreigners with Indian addresses?

What about NRIs? How will the authorities determine if the owner of a domain is an NRI or a non-Indian?

Ive just come back from Spain sorting my house foundations out and while i was there i was invited to the Spanish Domain Authority .es conference they had speakers from spain obviously and a friend was there from england representing Nominet who i know due to working for them in the past, .de ,.in and .us representatives where there also.

The poster who looks to be threatning above speaks some half truths it seems India is looking at their domain market and in some circumstances recalling domains due to TM and Commerical enterprises they are also looking at holders of major .in and .co.in portfolios and watching what they do the general thoughts are the indian domain market has got out of hand and (this is the bit i was major shocked over) only 35% of .in and .co.in domains are owned by Indians.

It seems due to the fact that .us , .de and .es and .co.uk countrymen have first refusal on any domain under there country extension the indians are doing this also so if someone say started a company in india selling rice and registered there company it looks like they will have the means to claim there domains if owned by anyone parking, selling or not a national of India i heard no deadline when this was coming in to effect but its certainly food for though. People with names like ring.in or general dictionary names i doubt will be affected but premium names and i have a few of them may be at risk.

Believe it or not .co.uk is exactly the same if you registered a .co.uk domain and a company existed they have right to claim the name off nominet and 9 times out of 10 win

.us are only allowed to be owned by people from the usa or family outside of the usa or global business the same goes for .de and now the same is happening with .es in fact spain are going to have a major clamp down, talk is to the level of not allowing renewals but again no date was given.

So at the end of the day a very interesting meeting and i was pleased my friend invited me along to this closed session conference. Its certainly given me food for thought.

1. This will go into effect or 2. Income from people registering names will outway the losses they will get if they do put this into effect. Will have to wait and see

Tipsfromthetop said:

It seems due to the fact that .us , .de and .es and .co.uk countrymen have first refusal on any domain under there country extension...

Believe it or not .co.uk is exactly the same if you registered a .co.uk domain and a company existed they have right to claim the name off nominet and 9 times out of 10 win

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There is no such thing as "first refusal" in any of these extensions - it's always first come, first serve (although there may be restrictions as to who can register).

What you say about .co.uk is not correct - they have a process similar to the UDRP. The only way someone can get your domain is through this process. I'd say the quality of their decisions is often better than UDRP decisions.